Spirit Bodies? Angel is our savior? Wait, Grandma an angel?

(Grandma? Holy SH-!!)

NOTE: I do not subscribe to any religion. I once believed in Masoretic Text translations until I dug deeper and came to a different conclusion during my search through Christian denominational teachings, their leaders, and the roots of how they started, while reading the Bible itself verse by verse a few times (many translations) or more to match up their beliefs to the spiritual book they claim to follow and believe in themselves. If you ask me what I believe, I would say what the scholarly census has agreed upon, even if the decision board doesn't agree with them because they're worried about the faith of humanity for what they were taught to believe despite it contradicting evidence. Anything I've studied, watched, read is added here to help you see how I got to this point to help others who are curious too. 

How to read: I put these in order as much as I could, from the beginning to the end of the Bible. However, some wrap up a context by cross-referencing one another to bring in the point. My notes are raw and help explain my reasoning or how I've come to an understanding for myself based on the whole Bible in its whole context, not just cherry-picked. Hence why I have so many, not just 4 common debate verses. I do not write out the verse because I don't want the translation I'm using to be an issue or thought to be biased. I think the point of each verse will come across in either of them.

Tob_12:15

7 angels

This book is in the Septuagint (if you don't understand the important of this text i suggest you dig in) and was highly read along with many other books that came out of the canon. Now if you are an Arian, or a JW, why would you trust the canon of your enemies?

Rev_8:2

Rev_8:6

2Ma_3:25-26

2Ma_10:29

2Ma_11:6

Again, with what I wrote in "Tob_12:15".

A good angel to deliver, but the messiah at that time and the times before and should be the time now, is man. Jesus would be in command to do the same.

Dan_12:1

Heb_1:4-14

Angels can't be a part of the covenant.

They are minister spirits in service for those who inherit salvation.

They work for him.

Act_22:8

He took the place of the angels doing his own work it seems as well.

1Cor_15:23

Raised at his coming, to earth. Nobody body shifting to heaven to wait to come with him.

1Co_15:45

Spirit... but wait... read all of it.

1Co_15:47

Man... of heaven

1Co_15:48

Man

NWT change

1Co_15:49

Man... of heaven.

Also, as in we put on the imperishable as he did.

1Co_15:53

The body must put on...doesn't make us "spirit creatures".

Joh_2:19-21

His body will be raised up, not some spirit creature.

Luk_24:37-39

Thought he was a spirit.

He says, a spirit does not have flesh or bones, but you PLAINLY SEE THAT I HAVE.

1Pe_3:18-19

If that means he is spirit, then...the people in prison are spirits too.

Act_2:31

His body didn't see corruption.

Heb_2:17

Had to be like us in everyday, to become the high priest.

Heb_7:3

He'll be that high priest forever, so he is still like us.

1Jn_4:9

Only begotten son

Not just one of the spiritual sons of God(angels) but the one and only Son begotten (meaning human) by God.

Adam was made by mud and breath of life that even the animals have, unlike Christ, who has baby daddy God by Mary's birth. Birth by a virgin.

Side notes on denominations opinions.

What Does It Mean to Be Born Again? What Does the Bible Say? (jw.org)Jesus was the first person to be born again. He was baptized in the Jordan River, after which God anointed (or, baptized) him with holy spirit. Jesus was thus born again by holy spirit as a son of God with the hope of returning to life in heaven. (Mark 1:​9-​11) God fulfilled this hope by resurrecting Jesus as a spirit creature.​—Acts 13:33.

-Notice first person, meaning more persons to come.

-Notice spiritual son.

-One of many like, the angels?

-He's not on the same level as the angel sons of God.

-He started lower, than raised over.

1Pe_1:3-12

Gave us new birth (where born again came from) made possible by Jesus

We die to our old body, our flesh desire to be instead more spiritual to be like him to reach the finish line and earn the crown.

Rom_6:8

Died in tomb with Christ, live with Christ.

Doing the same thing died in water, rebirth.

Luk_2:10

A savior now.

No ordinary child.

He was born son of God from day one, not at baptism. He had Gods spirit throughout his life, he was teaching from the age of twelve, in his "fathers" house.

He wasn't turned into a man for a duty from angel to man than finished and back to angel, he was turning into our high priest and being anointed at his age.

How could Jesus himself be born again and why would need to be?

Why did he get baptized and holy spirit given to him? A high priest ritual, all high priests had to do this.

Baptized not as a born-again symbol, but a legal requirement for entering the priest hood, as a 30-year-old Jewish man, it was Jewish law to be required for ritual cleansing Num_4:1-3 Exo_29:1-7

He is high priest, as a perfect man he would follow all of Gods laws, if he didn't, he wouldn't be innocent. he followed the law by being immersed and anointed by oil.

Then Mat_3:17 vocally receiving Gods testimony

Exo_39:43 Num_6:22-27

In "Jesus the way the truth and the life" chap 12 pp.9

Just as Adam was a human "son of God", so is Jesus. At his baptism, Jesus enters into a new relationship with God, becoming God's now appointed spiritual Son.

He's the one and only begotten Son. Unlike Adam made by mud, Jesus made by woman, the literal second creation of mankind by God, after woman and son of man have been doing so.

Joh_1:14

Col_1:17

Unlike Adam

He shouldn't be demoted to just an angel that had a job. He is higher than that.

Joh_14:1-14

No one comes to the father except through me.

No angel can have this power.

Its more than just saying his name at the end of the prayer, it's to come to Jesus, to get to God.

Rev_5:12-13

Angels don't have this

All creatures honor him and God.

He is our king under God, above men, and angels, to all.

In Jesus name we are saved (savior), he came in God's name (savior).

Act_4:10-12

No other name by which we must be saved.

Rom_10:9

He is king, back then.

The high priest gave his life so we don't have to die to our sins, but you must go through him, just like all the Jews had to with the dying high priest before Jesus. it's the same act, but he lives forever and died one time for it to be finished. To go to him, we are forgiven, all who believe in his name, the name in which he came from "Savior". Your savior that is within him and if you believe in him, on the last day you will be raised to no judgement, because you have been washed clean and your high priest did the act of forgiveness for sins and the unknowing sins for all who came to him, called by God to do so. And maybe, for all that didn't know they were sinning.

Extra verses

Mat_4:6

Angels work for God to take care of Jesus, not command us or lead Gods mission, but to assist.

Who is greater in the kingdom of God, those that serve Mat 20:26, a lot better than us regular non "Jesus" humans, but they will serve.

Joh_20:25

Expecting a body raised.

Act_1:3

Body suffered now alive.

Act_2:24-26

Body, alllsoo

Act_2:30

A man

Act_3:22

Man

Act_10:41

As a body does

Act_13:34

Body

Act_13:38

Man

Act_17:31

Man

Rev_1:1

Jesus's commanded an angel to give this revelation, so why not command Michael?

Eph_2:5

Our rebirth

Joh_1:30

If he preexisted, it would have to be as a man then. not angel or God himself who is not a man.

Joe_2:10

If God utters his voice, before his army, how would this be Michael?

Amo_9:2-5

God commanding Michael, if Yeshua is with the authority of God, then wouldn't he be commanding Michael?

1Tim 6:15-16

About the father, Jesus showed himself to people and apostles before leaving, so they can see him… (the text that has this verse is chopped to pieces.

Mat 24:25-27

Means, anyone saying his presence is not visible to the eye, is false and lying.

Literally saying, Christ returned but you can't see him, going straight up against the warnings of Jesus.

Aren't the angels spirit creatures, could they not show themselves? Yes, they did. If Jesus was raised spirit creature, can he show himself like he showed himself to JW like he showed himself to his apostles.

Php_2:8

As a what?