R.I.P...means what?
- C.Aamold
- Nov 5, 2024
- 6 min read
Updated: Aug 27

NOTE: I do not subscribe to any religion. I once believed in Masoretic Text translations until I dug deeper and came to a different conclusion during my search through Christian denominational teachings, their leaders, and the roots of how they started, while reading the Bible itself verse by verse a few times (many translations) or more to match up their beliefs to the spiritual book they claim to follow and believe in themselves. If you ask me what I believe, I would say what the scholarly census has agreed upon, even if the decision board doesn't agree with them because they're worried about the faith of humanity for what they were taught to believe despite it contradicting evidence. Anything I've studied, watched, read is added here to help you see how I got to this point to help others who are curious too.
How to read: I put these in order as much as I could, from the beginning to the end of the Bible. However, some wrap up a context by cross-referencing one another to bring in the point. My notes are raw and help explain my reasoning or how I've come to an understanding for myself based on the whole Bible in its whole context, not just cherry-picked. Hence why I have so many, not just 4 common debate verses. I do not write out the verse because I don't want the translation I'm using to be an issue or thought to be biased. I think the point of each verse will come across in either of them.
These verses below are marked for if there is a true heavenly resurrection or a hell torture and resurrection, who is going where (which is the mess at the bottom I'll try to make sense of) and when.
P.S. I'm also a gamer, so when I say "rezzed" I mean resurrected.
Deu_30:4
Back...toooo?
Psa_115:16
Earth given to mankind.
Isa_66:22
We do not inherit heaven, there is still heavens and earth but the restoration of all things we inherit the land, the earth to last.
Eze_36:25-28
Land not heaven.
Dan_7:27
Not heaven, under heaven.
Side note "him" may not be right, maybe "them"?
Mat 5:5
Not heaven
Mat_6:10
On earth
Luk_4:41
Not heaven
Luk_8:1
The good news is of the kingdom, not of personal gain to get into heaven. The good news that God has a government, and it will be on earth as it is in heaven.
Luk_8:31
Didn't say hell, perhaps the same abyss Abaddon is referred to in Revelations, where no man dwells.
Luk_8:55
Could be used for heaven, but it could mean as it was before in OT, the breath of life returned.
Luk_9:2
They're not proclaiming God is here, but the kingdom of God to come, not heaven with God/Jesus.
Luk_9:6
Same as 2
Luk_9:11
Not going to heaven, or God is here, or the kingdom of Jesus.
Luk_9:27
They didn't see heaven; they saw the king that God anointed, unless you're a preterist and believe Josephus.
Luk_9:60
He said nothing about those dead will be in heaven anyway don't worry about it, the dead are dead.
Luk_9:62
Not fit for heaven but the government ruling of God.
Luk_10:9
Not heaven
Luk_10:11
Not heaven
Luk_10:15
People would say here heaven exist, but it is referring to how like nimrod and King Neb, pharaoh or any OT figure in the bible exalted themselves as being gods over the nation.
Hades means still means grave, shoel, and hell, just means grave. The dirt we go back to and rot.
Luk_10:18
Heaven exists, but it's not for us, its Gods throne, and only 1 man can be there, and that's Jesus.
Luk_10:20
Heaven exists but we are not going there, the records are in Gods his realm.
Luk_11:2
Not heaven but heavenly throne coming to earth.
Luk_11:16
Not like see heaven clouds and the throne, Aagard, but the power of the authority of the source it comes from who sits on the heavenly throne.
Luk_11:20
Not heaven, but the government of God
Luk_12:5
Lake of fire after your dead from the grave after rez. Not dead... tortured, rezzed, then again.
Luk_12:32-33
You can't GIVE heaven, that's a place, the kingdom is a thing.
Following verse talks of the place...in the heavens. In the heavens, is the kingdom of God, to come here on earth.
Joh 3:3-6
Cannot see it or enter it, unless you are baptized and given the holy spirit
Joh_6:39-40
From the dead, not a heavenly death to be rezzed again.
Joh_11:25
Rez
Act_2:19
Below is earth, not hell under earth.
Act_3:21
Restoration, a rez of all things, not going to heaven, or tortured in hell.
Act_17:18
Not heaven
Act_17:31
God has fixed the date that He God will judge through a man.
1Co_15:20-47
First mankind, second mankind, first born, second born, first creations, second creation.
Col 2:13
These people were walking talking live people, being told they were raised with Jesus. This is as close as you can get to "going to heaven", and it's symbolic.
Heb_11:35
A better rez not heaven.
Heb_13:14
To come...not to go...not heaven. And to all regular people since he talked about your leaders.
Eph_2:3-6
What raising up means, a Spiritual life transformation because of Christ.
1Th_4:15-16
A fixed event 1Th_2:19
Asleep = dead in the grave to be rezzed. The first rez will be at his coming.
1Th_5:9-10
1Th_5:23
1Th_3:13
2Th_1:8
Caught up, verb not noun. Rezzed and those still alive to MEET in the air, as a welcoming to the king. no one going to heaven, and together with those that are asleep/dead.
On those who do not obey, there will be people here that won't obey, not anyone on the other side rezzed, just those who do not obey.
1 event of a partial rez.
2Ti_4:6-8
Even Paul has to wait to be rezzed.
2Pe 2:4-11
Shoel/hell, seems to be just for angels, waiting...for judgement.
2Pe_3:13
New heaven and earth, our goal, not "heaven".
Rev 14:1
On earth
Rev_20:3-7
Sounds like, if there is a first then there is 2 rezz. One at Christ coming and one after all is finished and the new age begins.
The end of millennium rez of "the rest of the dead".
A general "rez of both the just and the wicked".
See jesus, paul: Joh_5:28-29 Act_24:15
The great white throne judgment by God the father himself will be the judge/executioner
-Destiny of the wicked
-v6 "the second death"= Rev_20:15 destruction="lake of fire"
Rev_20:9-10
On earth is the kingdom
"eternal torment" for the real trinity the devil/beast/false prophet Dan_7:11
-Evangelical belief says eternal immortality through this.
-Immortality is a gift, not a torture device.
-The wicked will be "destroyed" Job_20:4-9 Job_20:26-29 Mal_4:1 Mat_10:28 2Th_1:8-10
-It doesn't say the wicked will remain in their graves, not only the good. The great crowd is a mix, JW say they have to be good and JW to be raised, or heart changed and joined to them (since they just got "new light")
-Each is judged by their works, not just good. Rev_20:13
-v15 what about those "not found written in the book of life?
-Implies names will be found.
-Destiny of the just.
-Rev_20:14 death and the grave of Hades/Hel/Hell will be destroyed.
-Hos_13:14 some from the 2nd rez will be "redeemed" i.e saved.
-a.k.a. "the wider hope" "some will awake to everlasting life" Dan_12:2.
-A continuation of Mat_24.
-The sheep and goats, those that didn't even know they were doing good, and those that thought they were but were not doing good.
Dan_12:2
Ecc_3:16-17
-belief of both good and wicked people
-both evil and good, no one is tortured till then or they have to be rezzed 2 times.
Rev 21:2-3,10,22-26
Coming down to earth, from God.
Among the people he will dwell.
The kings of the earth.
People from earth going to it.
Rev 22:1-2
From the throne on a street, on earth, to heal the nations.
Competing beliefs
From non-trinitarians only:
1 No survivors, i.e. everyone "burned up".
2 Some will survive a partial rez, modern day Christadelphians and JWs.
3 Some survive a universal rez.
4 All survive i.e. universalism, early Russelites (JW founder) and modern-day bible students.
My conclusion is when I read "R.I.P.", seems like those tombstones are a slap in the face for some sad, scared people. Perhaps time doesn't matter in the grave though, perhaps we all sit in front of the throne in heaven to be let down later, for its clear mankind inherited the earth. It will all be done in a blink of an eye after we die here. I can't say I know for sure, but I know there are not that many events. When we have so much corruptible wordplay and mythology and confusion to fight about it today, it really is just giving in to the spirit of division. But then there's me, I just like searching for answers, and I wrote it down and I'm here to show my work, so it doesn't go to waste. So here you go.
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