JW Great Trib doctrine.
- C.Aamold
- Oct 31, 2024
- 26 min read
Updated: Aug 29
NOTE: I do not subscribe to any religion. I once believed in Masoretic Text translations until I dug deeper and came to a different conclusion during my search through Christian denominational teachings, their leaders, and the roots of how they started, while reading the Bible itself verse by verse a few times (many translations) or more to match up their beliefs to the spiritual book they claim to follow and believe in themselves. If you ask me what I believe, I would say what the scholarly census has agreed upon, even if the decision board doesn't agree with them because they're worried about the faith of humanity for what they were taught to believe despite it contradicting evidence. Anything I've studied, watched, read is added here to help you see how I got to this point to help others who are curious too.
Attempting to understand their doctrine is quite confusing. Based on their literature and videos, my response is skeptical. I am not trying to promote conspiracy theories, but I sometimes feel like I am bordering on that territory. Despite this, respected critical bible scholars have discouraging information for enthusiasts of Daniel and Revelation interpretations. Therefore, I am not fully convinced by this, but I can entertain the idea due to the connections I see between different authors and their narratives. Please disregard my musings as I am simply attempting to comprehend their unconventional end times theories.
(My writing in blue, important remarks in red)
Online Video Library | JW.ORG Videos English time stamp 16:55
Rev_20:7-8
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
Eze_38:16
You will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land. In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.
After the 1k reign, the people will still be here.
My theory
A New world order (if it's even real but pretending like the other dooms day Christians): is moving the world from under the rule and worship of Thee God, to Satan being worshipped as God and in control of all under his doctrine and values.
They seem to be on that side, like the rest of Churchianity, like one big mob calling on Yahweh/Jehovah (yeah, I'm not a Christian sticking up for the rest of the churches).
Dan 7:23-26
“This is what he said: ‘The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth which will be different from all the other kingdoms, and will devour the whole earth and trample it down and crush it. ‘As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will humble three kings. ‘And he will speak against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time. ‘But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
They keep calling our justice system Satan, they're in it so often.
Rev 13:1-8
Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten crowns, and on his heads were blasphemous names.And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne, and great authority. I saw one of his heads as if it had been fatally wounded, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”A mouth was given to him speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven. It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority was given to him over every tribe, people, language, and nation. All who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slaughtered.
Same guy? NWO
World peace has been a huge thing to the world, paradise on earth, peace and security is what most right-wing conservative religions are looking to try to make it happen through them and governments together. To make it happen themselves, whether, by death and killing who they think is wicked by botching scripture, or by "preaching to the whole world".
A figure that controls the world government. What the NWO wants to set up which brings in antichrist dude.
Being taught bible prophecy, what side?
The "anointed" believe they'll rule over this time of peace. They just think immediate destruction as soon as someone says it, not thinking about the months that there is.
Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed...
For two years he will reign? And then two witnesses will prophesy for 3years?
Online Video Library | JW.ORG Videos English 7:17 and on
They say they will be attacked, that they are the saints that the nations are envious of. But they would mess with the timeline if they keep this up.
Rev 20:7-10
When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
That day is expressed in Eze 38:1-23
If that is true, that they are the camp of saints to be attacked by Gog and Magog, then they are saying Jesus returned the second time and final time with 1914, invisibly for sure, and that he won't come for every eye will see him (actual Parousia), yet they have said nothing about the false prophet being here at all to trigger this they just focus on Catholics who've been here forever, as far as I can tell. Only false religion Babylon the whore, and the beast, the government, but nothing about the false prophet.
War Between Heaven and Earth Precedes the Thousand Years — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
Here's some false prophet stuff, but it's like a government group effort? I would say, per romans 13, the anybody portraying to believe in the god of the world thats roaring around like a lion (not just JW), are actually serving the false prophet (the god of this age). Watching the worlds government take them all to court constantly catching them in the act of horrible things, is showing me, Roman 13 is still a thing.
They are skipping the 1k reign as well, seeming how Jesus "returned to rule in 1914", and not even 200 years have passed.
I can't tell if they know they are preterist or not. They believe there is some sort of rapture (for anointed), they talk of 1k reign, but they moved the marker to after the 1k reign?
In Revelation 16:16 this name does not literally refer to the neighborhood of Megiddo in the plain of Esdraelon. It symbolizes the place where, within the realm of Jehovah’s witnesses’ experiences on earth, this final war is fought out.
Rev 20:7-9
When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.
And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heavena and consumed them.
They would probably say "See! they didn't actually battle!"
4 Christendom generally does not teach the Scriptural truth that one day obedient humans will live forever on earth. (2 Cor. 4:3, 4) Today, most religions in Christendom teach that all good people go to heaven when they die. It was different, however, with the small group of Bible Students who were publishing the Watch Tower in the late 1800’s. They understood that God would restore Paradise on earth
This could be mistaken for the false peace and security rather than the very end true peace
and that millions of obedient humans would live here on earth—not in heaven. However, it took time for them to discern clearly who these obedient humans would be.—Matt. 6:10.
5. What did the Bible Students believe about the 144,000?
5 Of course, the Bible Students also discerned from the Scriptures that some would be “bought from the earth” to rule with Jesus in heaven. (Rev. 14:3) That group would be made up of 144,000 zealous and dedicated Christians who had served God faithfully while on earth. What about the great crowd?
They're not being honest really. They believed... A lot differently and how they got to these beliefs they will not mention. They say old light, but these doctrines stand on that old light that's no longer relevant and is basically almost the only way they ever made sense unless you just made shit up. But I too, believe everyone will be rezzed on earth, not go to heaven, unless you want to mess with what time does when you are "asleep" (first death talk).
10Since 1935, Jehovah’s Witnesses have thus understood that the great crowd of John’s vision is made up of a group of faithful Christians who have the prospect of living forever on earth. In order to survive the great tribulation, the great crowd would have to be educated in Jehovah’s ways before the Millennium begins.
They would need to show strong faith in order to “succeed in escaping all these things that must occur” before Christ’s Thousand Year Reign.—Luke 21:34-36.
Rev 7:13-14
Then one of the elders responded, saying to me, “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The 144 better stay on the planet then to go THROUGH the Great Trib yeah?
19 Never before in human history has God united millions of people from all nations. Whether our hope is to live in heaven or on earth, we need to help as many as possible to become part of the great crowd of “other sheep.” (John 10:16) Soon, Jehovah will bring the foretold great tribulation that will destroy the governments and religions that have afflicted mankind. What an outstanding privilege lies before all members of the great crowd—to serve Jehovah on earth forever!—Rev. 7:14.
Sounds like the not great side of Dan/Rev scriptures above. By ruling all nations, and destroying the gov and religions to make one under a false peace and security.
The Bible’s answer
The great tribulation will bring the greatest time of trouble ever to come upon mankind. According to Bible prophecy, it will occur during “the last days,” or “the end time.” (2 Timothy 3:1; Daniel 12:4, New American Bible) It will be “a tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation that God created until that time, and will not occur again.”
True
Events during the great tribulation
Destruction of false religion. With surprising speed, false religion will be destroyed. (Revelation 17:1, 5; 18:9, 10, 21) The political powers represented by the United Nations will carry out God’s will in taking this action.
They are saying the UN is carrying out Gods will (at this time, I believe I heard they got new light to this if I haven't already posted it in this haystack).
Check out "Contradiction" post
However, she has not done so. Instead, in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations—this despite the Bible’s warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as man’s best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization?
11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: “No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world’s religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths.”
The Bible’s answer
Peace on earth will come, not by human efforts, but by means of God’s Kingdom, a heavenly government ruled by Christ Jesus. Notice how the Bible teaches us about this wonderful hope.
God will make “wars to cease to the extremity of the earth,” fulfilling his promise to bring “peace on earth to those with whom he is pleased!”—Psalm 46:9; Luke 2:14, Good News Translation.
God’s Kingdom will rule from heaven over the entire earth. (Daniel 7:14) As a world government, it will eliminate nationalism, which is at the root of many conflicts.
Jesus, the Ruler of God’s Kingdom, is called the “Prince of Peace,” and he will ensure that “to peace there will be no end.”—Isaiah 9:6, 7.
People determined to keep fighting will not be allowed to live under the Kingdom, since “anyone loving violence [God’s] soul certainly hates.”—Psalm 11:5; Proverbs 2:22.
Humans inherit the earth... as they have since the beginning why would that change?
It will eliminate sin...darkness...death.
"anyone loving violence", may want to warn the people leading, like the GB that are truly excited to shed blood when they turn into white angel men.
Will we ever have one government for the whole world?
How could a world government unite people of all nations? Isaiah 32:1, 17; 54:13
Imagine how a world government could benefit mankind. Today many people suffer because they are so poor, while others are very rich. But a compassionate world government could make sure that all have what they need. Do you think humans will ever create such a government?—Read Jeremiah 10:23.
Throughout history, governments have failed in many ways to care for their subjects, especially the poor. Some governments are cruel. (Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9) But Almighty God has promised to provide a government that will replace all others. Its Ruler will really take care of people.—Read Isaiah 11:4; Daniel 2:44.
What will God’s Kingdom achieve?
Jehovah God has chosen an ideal world Ruler—his Son, Jesus. (Luke 1:31-33) As a man on earth, Jesus was interested in helping people. As King, he will unite people of all nations and relieve people of all suffering.—Read Psalm 72:8, 12-14.
Will everyone accept Jesus as Ruler? No. But Jehovah is patient. (2 Peter 3:9) He is giving people the opportunity to accept Jesus as Ruler. Soon, Jesus will rid the earth of bad people and will establish peace and security worldwide.—Read Micah 4:3, 4.
These are the things that antichrist will do first. By men that put themselves as high as God and trying to fulfill prophecy.
Mat 10:34
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
UN isn't doing what Jesus is doing, or at least what JW says they're doing. And if they were why are they a part of them (contradiction post)?
We can't build the kingdom of God, but among others JW think it's really happening already through them.
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; ...
They have people "observe" the blood which could mean denying it. Also, only for their "special class".
They try and tell their congregation that this is happening now with apostates/devil among them, but they said Jesus returned. That can't happen. At all. Holy spirit doesn't pick perverted elders.
They are doing this and this is what the NWO false prophet does.
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
The rebellion is to believe someone or some false being of light whether spiritual or flesh, who says they are God himself or speaking for someone as if so, and who apparently will have an issue with pagan Gods.
How much more so does this guy sound like the god all "Christians" have followed in all denominations who have the blood of "pagans" and even those scapegoated as "pagan" drenched on their hands? And if they haven't killed them out right because this is 2024 and you cant do that(...yet...) the hate in their heart and their "satanic panic" is through the roof and we should know what Jesus said about anger in your heart.
But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
If they say they are God/or "spokesperson", and saying to listen to them is listen to God (so same thing) and joining themselves to this false God by using true prophecy (even with crap intentions), the world will be forced to hear the gospel finally. All at one time with the NWO under the false god. Then the end could really come.
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Servants to a false god, or at the very least, the god you think you might be following.
And anyone doing this but saying "we don't call ourselves "apostles of Christ", key words here are "disguising them as servants... or righteousness. What's the "prophecy" they use to have their position in the org?
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
The false god that wants to be worshipped as THEE GOD, it keeps them from seeing the true light OF gospel OF the glory of Christ. And it sounds like, whoever believes in this god, are actually unbelievers to Jesus Christ's work.
and if this is true, doesn't this mean that the false religion, through all these scriptures, that false religion is to do this to them, and is still around after the 1k years as we read to mislead people again to go against the small camp in Rev 20:7-10?
While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
The actual great tribulation? So are they making a fake great trib? When the trib will be after the NWO is finished with their false peace? And they will execute who does not follow the false king sitting in the throne? Sounds like Sam Herds plans to be honest.
The text discusses the conclusion where I am also exploring further for better comprehension. However, from around minute 20 onwards, things seem a bit suspicious. These are genuine individuals labeled as evil, who are actually innocent that Sam is eagerly waiting to "fight". They are individuals who have rejected them and "turned down their good news", even their children. It is not about predators, but rather about individuals who criticize them and the government, who are also individuals that they heavily rely on because they are expected to lead a modest lifestyle, similar to the ashes on the faces of Jews during fasting. This is because many of them dislike their own way of life and desire the homes and lands of those they consider evil.
I'm honestly surprised after removing Tony Morris's videos that are even more excited about this prophecy they seek to fulfill, they haven't removed this one, and I think that's due to him being their token.
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Yet they sure keep trying, even though they floated it back after 100 + years, that to bring the kingdom is to preach to the world with their publications to all the languages (though the England armies pretty much helped make that easier by forcing English but ok).
Dan 11:14
“Now in those times many will rise up against the king of the South; the violent ones among your people will also raise themselves up to fulfill the vision, but they will fall down.
NWO
Dan 11:21-45
“And in his place a despicable person will arise, on whom the majesty of kingship has not been conferred; but he will come in a time of tranquility and seize the kingdom by intrigue. “And the overflowing forces will be flooded away from him and smashed, and also the prince of the covenant. “After an alliance is made with him he will practice deception, and he will go up and gain power with a small force of people. “In a time of tranquility he will enter the richest parts of the realm, and he will accomplish what his fathers did not, nor his ancestors; he will distribute plunder, spoils, and possessions among them, and he will devise his schemes against strongholds, but only for a time. “And he will stir up his strength and courage against the king of the South with a large army; so the king of the South will mobilize an extremely large and mighty army for war; but he will not stand, because schemes will be devised against him. “Those who eat his choice food will destroy him, and his army will overflow, but many will fall down slain. “As for both kings, their hearts will be intent on evil, and they will speak lies to each other at the same table; but it will not succeed, because the end is still to come at the appointed time. “Then he will return to his land with much plunder; but his heart will be set against the holy covenant, and he will take action and then return to his own land. “At the appointed time he will return and come into the South, but this last time it will not turn out the way it did before. “For ships of Kittim will come against him; therefore he will withdraw in fear and will return and curse the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and pay attention to those who abandon the holy covenant. “Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. “And by smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will be strong and take action.
The rebellion? If you think this is true, or didn't already happen. Sometimes it does seem history repeats it self here though with this and Christianity.
“And those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many; yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder for many days.“Now when they fall they will be granted a little help, and many will join with them in hypocrisy.
False believers with the true, and the true ones.........go through some trouble to say the least. So, I don't think anywhere is going to save anyone.
“And some of those who have insight will fall, to refine, purge, and cleanse them until the end time; because it is still to come at the appointed time.
Being refined, purge and cleansed until.... through the great tribe.
“Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and boast against every god and will speak dreadful things against the God of gods; and he will be successful until the indignation is finished, because that which is determined will be done.
42 months of the beast in Rev 13? And 11? (top of the page) the false god.
Just a side note, Greek Septuagint Deu 32:8-9 Yahweh was given inheritance, along with the other angels of God. (why I'm not your average Christian).
“And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will boast against them all. “But instead he will honor a god of fortresses
Tower? by chance?
Really, my last note on Deu 32:8-9 with the translations no one wants to touch, especially pharisee/jews and replacement theory Christians, speaks to that verse EVEN MORE.
a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, precious stones, and treasures. And he will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign god; he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him and will make them rulers over the many, and will parcel out land for a price.
Paradise for those that obey him?
But also, this very well could be the pope during crusades and using bishops as magi, but...same god either way.
“And at the end time the king of the South will wage war with him, and the king of the North will storm against him with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he will enter countries, overflow them, and pass through. “He will also enter the Beautiful Land, and many countries will fall; but these will be rescued out of his hand: Edom, Moab, and the foremost of the sons of Ammon. “Then he will reach out with his hand against other countries, and the land of Egypt will not escape. “But he will gain control over the hidden treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and Libyans and Ethiopians will follow at his heels. “But rumors from the East and from the North will terrify him, and he will go out with great wrath to eliminate and annihilate many.
“And he will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
Beautiful land?
Dan 12:1-3
“Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.“And those who have insight will shine like the glow of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.
The last rez? Or just the first rez? Or is this all while the 1k years are done?
The book doesn't come out till the very last rez with righteous and wicked
Blasphemous speculation
(no like seriously)
11 How will the anointed bring “the many to righteousness”? The anointed will cooperate closely with Jesus Christ to direct the educational program that will be carried out here on earth during the 1,000 years. The 144,000 will not only rule as kings but also serve as priests. (Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6) As such, they will assist with “the healing of the nations”—gradually bringing mankind back to perfection. (Rev. 22:1, 2; Ezek. 47:12) What a joy that will be for the anointed!
12 Who will be among “the many” brought to righteousness? These will include those who are resurrected and also those who survive Armageddon together with any children who may be born in the new world. By the end of the 1,000 years, all living on earth will be perfect. So at what point will their names be written permanently in ink and not in pencil in the book of life?
THE FINAL TEST
13-14. What will all perfect people on earth need to demonstrate before they receive everlasting life?
13 We must remember that being perfect does not in itself mean that a person will automatically gain everlasting life. Think of Adam and Eve. They were perfect, but they needed to demonstrate their obedience to Jehovah God before they would be granted everlasting life. And, sadly, they failed to obey him.—Rom. 5:12.
14 What will be the situation of those on earth by the end of the 1,000 years? All will have gained perfection. Will all those perfect people fully support Jehovah’s rule forever? Or will some prove to be like Adam and Eve—who despite being perfect became unfaithful? These questions will need to be answered, but how?
15-16. (a) When will all mankind receive an opportunity to show their loyalty to Jehovah? (b) What will be the final result of this test?
15 Satan will be confined for the 1,000 years. During that time, he will not be able to mislead anyone. However, at the end of the 1,000 years, Satan will be released from his confinement. He will then try to mislead perfect humans. During that test, all perfect humans on earth will have an opportunity to show clearly where they stand on the issue of God’s name and sovereignty. (Rev. 20:7-10) Their individual responses to Satan’s efforts will determine whether their names should be written permanently in the book of life.
16 Some, an unspecified number, will prove to be like Adam and Eve, rejecting Jehovah’s rulership. What will happen to them? Revelation 20:15 tells us: “Whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.” Yes, these rebellious ones will be completely destroyed forever. But the majority of perfect mankind will pass this final test. Their names will then be written permanently in the book of life.
They say these MEN will bring salvation, righteousness, perfection.... that is JESUS's job. and he has done it. FOR ALL. They literally, have no idea who Jesus is. AT ALL. Per bible...alone. They officially worship a different Jesus, and it is men.
Where is the part "the dead will raise on the last day" part? Righteous and unrighteous? The 2nd rez?
Where does it say people will be made perfect in the 1k years? I know of the battle they will face.
The sealed who they claim are the "anointed", the ones that come out of the great tribulation.
I'm not saying OSAS, but I think JWs need to finish the parable they deem as prophecy as "faithful discreet slave", past the part where it talks about evil slave, in the Luke cross reference.
There is such a thing as guilty by association, and there will be something due for it, even if you didn't know.
Romans 8:31-39
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring charges against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, but rather, was [a]raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Who will separate us from the love of [b]Christ? Will tribulation, or trouble, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Just as it is written:
“For Your sake we are killed all day long; We were regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”
But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Luke 12:45-48
But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will take a long time to come,’ and he begins to beat the other slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; then the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect, and at an hour that he does not know, and will [g]cut him in two, and assign [h]him a place with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accordance with his will, will receive many blows, but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of [i]a beating, will receive only a few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
Pretending the argument is about what the lords' day to prove their 1914 date.
“BY INSPIRATION I came to be in the Lord’s day.” (Revelation 1:10) So said the aged apostle John, depicted above, in the first chapter of the Bible book of Revelation. His words help us to locate the time of the fulfillment of the magnificent visions that he goes on to describe.
Not all, however, agree with this rendering of Revelation 1:10. For example, the German Bible translator Jörg Zink renders it: “I was filled with holy spirit—it was on Sunday.” Most Bible versions, however, translate the Greek phrase teiʹ ky·ri·a·keiʹ he·meʹrai as “the Lord’s day.” But in a footnote many claim that it refers to Sunday. Is this correct?
The German Herders Bibelkommentar, a Catholic reference work, explains the reasoning behind this thinking when it says: “Reference is made here [at Revelation 1:10] not to the Day of Final Judgment, which is likewise known as the ‘Day of the Lord’, but to a specific day of the week. The early Christians began celebrating the first day of the week as the day of their main church services as early as the middle of the first century. (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2)” However, the two scriptures cited by that reference work in no way prove that first-century Christians viewed the first day of the week as “the day of their main church services.”
Nowhere in the Bible is it said that Christians in the apostolic era viewed the first day of the week, now called Sunday, as a kind of Christian sabbath, a day set aside exclusively for their regular meetings for worship. It was only after the death of the apostles that Sunday came to be viewed in this way and came to be called “the Lord’s day.” This was part of the apostasy foretold by Jesus and the apostles themselves.—Matthew 13:36-43; Acts 20:29, 30; 1 John 2:18.
What, then, is “the Lord’s day”? The context of Revelation 1:10 points to Jesus as the Lord whose day it is. God’s Word identifies expressions such as “the day of our Lord Jesus Christ” with a time of judgment for mankind and the restoration of Paradise.—1 Corinthians 1:8; 15:24-26; Philippians 1:6, 10; 2:16.
They reason like they do with the name of their god. They are right about that fact about Sunday, like they were about admitting how Jehovah name came about, but they are still gaslighting. The truth then is, sabbath was the day he was meditating as was commonly done then, in which John definitely would have been doing like Peter on the roof etc. It's not that, "see Sunday doesn’t exist". They were on the truth, then they shoved their doctrine in place instead. When the truth is, sabbath was the day they were talking about in Rev. not some off the wall side concept or in 1914. They bring you in with a hint of truth, to gaslight you later with their own theory instead of showing, yes, "sabbath is the day of the Lord" and switching scripture to put in their narrative. The word you should be focusing on is their "in". What they've done here is make Revelations a whole code book for their own denomination they replaced themselves into. They are making a difficult target by attacking the wrong subject, thought stop.
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